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leading citizens and welcome to unknown

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I'm Jason McClellan I'm here with

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Maureen Elsberry Ryan Sprague and Shane

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hurt today thanks for hanging out with

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us we've reached the end of another year

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and the end of a decade as hard as it

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might be to believe you'll soon be

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reading the year 2020 on your calendar

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that's crazy so since we're closing out

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a decade today we're going to run down

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some of the top UFO related stories from

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this past decade now this type of show

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is always a bit of a challenge for us to

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put together because so much happens

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during the span of a year let alone a

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decade so narrowing it down to the top

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10 stories is difficult to say the least

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Brian why don't you get us started off

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yeah absolutely so the first one we're

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gonna cover here is back in 2001 and

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this is the Gary McKinnon case I'm sure

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that name

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definitely rings a bell with a lot of

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people out there but for anyone who

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doesn't know who this guy is he was in

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IT expert in England who in 2001 and

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2002 he spent a lot of his free time

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hacking and breaching security defences

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of NASA and other US military networks

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and he said that he found a document

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entitled quote unquote non-terrestrial

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officers which was pretty intriguing if

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he asked me it was sort of like this

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excel sheet that he recalls had the

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ranks and names of unknown individuals

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on it so when he tried to search for the

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names of the ships he was unable to find

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any any mention of these people publicly

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that is and it made him believe that it

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was some sort of secret space program so

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he started talking about this stuff

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meanwhile his hacking would eventually

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be discovered and he was arrested in

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late 2002 in England and he was said to

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have caused over hundreds of thousands

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of dollars in security breaches and

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damage and following his arrest he was

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also subject to a lengthy extradition

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battle the u.s. wanted to punish him for

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the cyber crimes on us computers and

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intelligence agencies and such so he

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easily could have spent almost 70 years

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in jail for this but in 2012 the newly

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appointed prime minister Theresa May she

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did not grant the extradition because of

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MacKinnon's history with depression and

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he was also suffering from Asperger's

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syndrome and it would be extremely

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detrimental to his health and it would

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make him highly suicidal so it would go

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against his human right so she decided

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not to do that but since then MacKinnon

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had to pay very high legal fees and he

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is never allowed in the u.s. ever again

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actually got to speak with MacKinnon

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briefly after all this happened to see

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what we he was up to and now he is doing

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the IT thing again he's working for his

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own company in you know basically doing

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what he used to do hacking he's now

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working with cybersecurity so it's kind

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of like one of these you know cases

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where the the government will hire

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ex-cons to help them it's pretty pretty

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cool I guess but every now and again he

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talks about this stuff and what he found

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on those u.s. computers and to this day

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we still will never know what you know

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non-terrestrial officers actually means

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well and this was such a long drawn-out

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saga the game MacKinnon saga like you

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said started you know in the early 2000s

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but the extradition battle was still

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raging on in this past decade in

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2010-2011 the the headlines were

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non-stop I mean it seemed like almost

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every week we were hearing a new new

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development in the Gary McKinnon case

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and his mother was was his really

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leading the charge his bin used to have

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an advocate and leading the fight

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against extradition so that that whole

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battle you know the US trying to get him

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extradited and hearing all the the

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health issues the testimony and then

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Teresa may finally saying nope not gonna

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happen like that was just generating

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tons and tons and tons of mainstream

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headlines so is it was kind of fun to

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follow along yeah it was so cool again

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to see like a mainstream story going on

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between countries all because a guy

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wanted to hack into computers to find

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out [\h__\h] on UFOs right I think it's so

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cool I love it I love it yeah and think

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two of the the timing of it this was pre

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Snowden and pre WikiLeaks you know and

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how it was handled you know wasn't in

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that context it be kind of interesting

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you see how it all be treated now you

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know if it if it were to have occurred

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now after all of that maybe I mean the

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the the US was they were rabid man they

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wanted him it wanted him bad and and you

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know I I don't know

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that if they would go after them as hard

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today as they did back then but it is

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really fascinating the the fact that it

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was a UFO story I mean that's amazing

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yeah and there there was you know some

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speculation because a bunch of documents

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were released FOIA requests and nobody

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has exactly found the right documents to

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sort of verify all his claims which

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makes you wonder you know where are they

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and people are still actively trying to

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research this and I think we'll see this

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stretch into 2020 and beyond yeah and

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that's a big big difference yeah with

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WikiLeaks and stuff I mean if we if we

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had what he discovered that would be

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amazing right these transfer lists of

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people going to the u.s. s Hill and cut

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her and the USS LeMay like you know

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that's really huge stuff but again we

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don't have any of that because he didn't

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save any of that and he also says he was

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high when he was doing this so his

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memory is a little fuzzy too there's a

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lot of stuff but it's is incredible

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claims it would be great if we had you

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know some weekly wiki leaks like files

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that we could look at but there's

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plausible you know that he saw what he

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says he saw but without any evidence it

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is just that frustrating thing with

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ufology manny you just you can't get

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your hands around any friggin proof you

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know is so frustrating but you know i

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think it's plausible and i think you

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know maybe he saw stuff maybe he didn't

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curious how how hard the government went

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after him for it yeah and that that

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certainly fuels the fire right and gets

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the clearest he's going you know well

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why would they go so hard after him if

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he didn't actually find what he says he

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found why would they care but again he

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did hack into military computers and

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caused all sorts of damage they're not

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just yeah oh that's okay you stay over

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there and everything is fine we will

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forget it water under the bridge he must

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also be on a lot of legal hooks to where

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you noticed like he has not spoken about

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the case and

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you know gone done the TV circuit or

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anything like that or started hopping

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around conferences he has a little bit

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of UFO circuit you're not salutis

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significantly right I mean they've

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they've certainly had and like contact

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in the desert and stuff like they there

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are these conferences where they they

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have a minute they have him how did he

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get the us to go to contact in the

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desert they certainly done that right

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yeah not to the the sort of you can tell

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and take advantage of the UFO phenomena

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circuit kind of thing and yeah it's a

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all right let's move on to the next one

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on our list and you guys might not agree

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with me on this one but I'm including

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Frank Kindler as one of the biggest

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stories of the decade and here's why

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so Frank made headlines multiple times

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during the decade and if you are

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familiar with him Frank is a geologist

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in an instructor at the New Mexico

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Military Institute in Roswell New Mexico

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back in 2010 he began making trips out

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to a remote area of the desert that is

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thought to be near where UFO supposedly

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crashed back in 1947 and being a

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scientist Frank wanted to find physical

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evidence so he used a metal detector and

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he found what he was looking for he

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managed to find several small pieces of

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material he submitted material for

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analysis and in one of the first tests

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he had done his response to the results

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was quote either Earle the lab made an

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analytical error or the material is not

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from Earth and quote he was excited by

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the isotopic analysis and he continued

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working to get initial testing done

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throughout the decade and then you might

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remember that in 2018 there was the

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whole drama with the Bureau of Land

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Management when they called Frank and

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for a meeting and there was the threat

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of his material being confiscated

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fortunately Frank still has his Roswell

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material but that incident generated

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some buzz and I mean there were so many

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mainstream headlines about that

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about Frank's previous work and the the

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test results and the claims made about

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this strange Roswell material so that

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really really breached mainstream press

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around the world generate a lot of

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headlines throughout the decade and then

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at the beginning of 2019 Ryan got to get

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involved with this material right Ryan

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yeah no I love Frank to death and I

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think it's incredible the dedication he

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has to trying to find the truth behind

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Roswell I mean I've spoken about this in

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the past it's amazing the way he was

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able to locate the area first and

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foremost and then I also got his

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materials tested came up with vastly

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different results from his first tests

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but that's what science is like you

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gotta you gotta get this stuff

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reviewed over and over and over again

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and I think it's fascinating whatever

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Frank found out there is definitely

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extraordinary I can that's all I can

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really say it might not be

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extraterrestrial but what we found out

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was that whatever that metal was it

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should not have been in that desert in

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1947 I can tell you that much hopefully

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more info on that in 2020 but um no I

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think this is an amazing we know now

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that the feds I think were we're

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monitoring Frank and it's like social

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networks and even a bunch of our names

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came up in those files because we were

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talking to Frank about it so a little

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freaky but uh I guess that's that's

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points for us yeah you know I think that

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this case is really awesome because what

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it does is it illustrates the importance

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of having true scientific investigation

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and that it actually yields stuff so

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right oh yeah she was able to find those

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metallic fragments because he was a

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geologist not because he was just a dude

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out there that spent the time I mean

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there was science behind that

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Annelle is well illustrated on your show

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Ryan on mysteries decoded and and so I

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thought hey that was very intriguing and

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then you know he's got the samples he's

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handled them property properly and then

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you know

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there's something there physical

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evidence I mean how scant is physical

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evidence right and so he's got that and

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you know it has been analyzed and

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there's more they're available to

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continue the analysis so I mean to me it

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just his case really illustrates the

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value of true science and getting the

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right people involved in this thing and

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it will yield you know tangible results

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I think another good point to feed off

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of that Shane is that you know what's

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happening here is everyone says over

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Oswell such an old case but when you

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look at all these old cases that have

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never really been solved they're still

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considered by most to be unsolved that

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there's still sometimes magic and if we

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you know put the effort and in the

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science in like you said that we might

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be able to find clues that help shed

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light on these items that are still

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anomalous and yeah it you may think oh

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it's you know that happened in 1947

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nothing will be out there but you'd be

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surprised how stuff moves around you

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know shifts down because of you know

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changing landscape and water and

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everything else and and how you can

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still manage to potentially find clues

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or a piece of the puzzle was again this

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is the exact approach to and that's why

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he was successful I was so awesome I

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yeah we love Frank and again like you

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said Shane it's such a great point that

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in the UFO world in the UFO field

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tangible physical evidence is scarce so

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when you have a case that has that it's

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incredibly exciting and there's still

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stuff going on with this case so yep I

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Frank's just a cool dude in the way

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Frank is awesome guys money that I just

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somehow did not get alright so let's

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move on to the next one on the list

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Shane you got the next one alright this

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is the I'm gonna read a little bit on

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this thing this is the UFO incident that

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began about 9:20 p.m. on the evening of

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April

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25th 2013 at the Raphael Hernandez

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Airport in Aguadilla Puerto Rico so many

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of you may have met remember the video

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from this but what it did is it included

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the crew of a DHC 8 turboprop turboprop

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aircraft from the US Customs and Border

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Protection Agency which is a division of

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the Department of Homeland Security and

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basically what happened is this flight

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recorded a thermal imaging camera on a

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DEA chair craft recorded an object that

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exhibited characteristics that cannot be

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explained by known aircraft for natural

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phenomena and so this thing it moved

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through buildings and through trees and

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eventually over the ocean and then the

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object appears to go in and out of the

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ocean without slowing down and at the

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end of the video at sea they're joined

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by another object or it breaks in two

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and this case was analyzed thoroughly by

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the scientific Coalition for ufology and

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they kind of came up with this statement

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here I thought was great that kind of

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calculates the whole thing it says there

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is no explanation for an object capable

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of traveling underwater at over 90 miles

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per hour with minimal impact as it

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enters the water through the air at 120

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miles per hour at low altitude through a

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residential area without navigation

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lights and finally to be able of

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splitting into two separate objects no

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bird no balloon no aircraft and no known

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drones have that capability and I'll

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just mention if you want to read the

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report if anyone does out there

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it's like 161 page report and it's on

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the website Explorer s Cu dot or again

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you click it the whole report yourself

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yeah that group certainly did the most

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robust look into that case and that case

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at the time made substantial headlines

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because

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you know for obvious reasons as we know

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very well the public and the media love

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UFO videos and certainly love UFO videos

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when they're coming from a military

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source and that's what we had in this

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case

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so that was a great example of a

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military UFO video being circulated

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media ran wild with it and people ate it

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up I remember getting that link to the

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probably Morgan Beall or someone sent us

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the link to they 161 page document and I

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thought oh [\h__\h] and it's good and that's

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that's a positive thing - yeah yeah yeah

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I think like just the the maneuvers

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alone in the that were displayed in the

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video I don't know if it's the same for

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you guys but sometimes when I i know

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these videos are coming from like the

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government or the military i'm I almost

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get a little scared to watch it because

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I I we can usually figure out within

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moments like oh well it was this or it

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wasn't this I'm afraid to look at videos

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like this because I really think

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sometimes my paradigm is gonna get

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shifted this video really was one of

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those ones early on before all the tic

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tacs and all that yes that this one was

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like oh my god this could blow the lid

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wide open but you know just like any

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story it kind of fades into obscurity

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within weeks in today's world so yeah

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that's really good right

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cuz because we're just look at how big

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of a mess like you said and then it kind

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of drifted off into obscurity and and is

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that gonna happen with the tic-tac UFOs

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or is there now been such a big deal

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about it that it'll remain you know stay

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the test of time I think it's human

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nature and we see it with every story

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that comes along you know whether it's

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UFOs or something in pop culture or

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anything else you know something's

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gigantic earth-shattering news and it

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must get your attention right now and

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everybody's talking about it and a

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couple weeks later it's gone so yeah but

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you know if you're careful and you think

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about it so many of these things

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are connected through history right even

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like you know we talked about Frank and

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you know I have them 47 but here we are

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in 2019 almost 2020 and they're still

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evidence yielded or like with this case

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you know the fact that that that object

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entered both the air and then the water

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to me that that relates directly to what

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you know happened with the nimitz case

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and the tic-tac unit the yips

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conclusion that look this these things

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are trans medium this is one of like the

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five important aspects of identifying a

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true UFO right as as outlined by a tip

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and that one is at the ab transmedia

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incapability southern client space air

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and water now in the Agri dia case

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obviously it was just observed that it

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entered both air and water but still

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that's remarkable because even at 95

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miles an hour I think is what they

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clocked it at underwater I mean there

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are very few man-made objects that can

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do that right now

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and and then let alone go in the water

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and fly right there's no man-made

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objects that do that so you know it's

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pretty fascinating so this stuff I think

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in time you know when you look at the

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aqua dia case from 2013 in the context

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of the information we're learning now in

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2019 or 17 18 and 19 they're kind of all

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related and and so when if you look at

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ufology and in these cases from that

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30,000 foot view and you know you can

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see that this stuff is connected and I

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think that that will help move us

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forward too because we learn that stuff

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and then we build on it and we add to it

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yeah there's five observables are really

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a new driving force for me when I'm

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looking at this stuff I think it's an

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incredible way to to record the data of

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these things like how they maneuver we

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spend so much time you know talking

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about date in weather and this and that

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for a UFO case but let's really look at

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the patterns of how these things are

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working I think you're right Shane I

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think something can be gleaned for that

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for sure and this video proved that

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yeah even from like a perspective as a

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MUFON investigator now you know I look

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at you know how can you

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how can you define what a UFO is right I

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mean we all kind of you know we we think

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we know but you know this is a

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scientific and analysis and a

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demarcation of you know if this object

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observes these characteristics or

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exhibits them then this is not

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conventional I mean that that is awesome

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and that that's only something that very

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recently has come to the fore that we

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can define you know what a UFO is by

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bias performance characteristics and

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those other things so you know I think

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that's absolutely huge and in spite of

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the fact that we've been at this for 70

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years we are continuing to make progress

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the more we bring science and technology

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and into the hunt you know we are making

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we're at least you know checking items

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off the list that it is not this it is

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not that right sooner or later we're

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gonna get down to them a much more

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narrow window we can say this is an you

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know a true unknown well said absolutely

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all right let's move to the next one on

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the list and that would be the CIA

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declassifying area 51 so area 51 has

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been in pop culture for a few decades

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now but up until 2013 the government

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denied the top-secret base even existed

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in August of 2013 the National Security

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Archive at George Washington University

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posted a CIA document obtained through a

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Freedom of Information Act in which the

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name area 51 was not redacted and

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although the document wasn't the first

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to refer to area 51 by its name it

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essentially served as a sort of official

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outing or declassification of area 51

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and this story generated headlines

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around the world with the essential

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message that the CIA finally

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Declassified area 51 so this was huge at

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the time and the headlines this thing

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generated were crazy and again up to

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this point they were still you know most

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people in the general public viewed area

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51 is something that just crazy

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conspiracy theorists talked about

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out or they didn't think it was a real

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thing because the government said it

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wasn't a real thing absolutely and this

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was also in Merton it sounded so lame to

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us because we were like oh we already

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know but that's our circle but this was

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really important because it was a

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stepping kind of proving that at least

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Bob Lazar knew that piece of information

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before it was released to the public as

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well and it was kind of sort of

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confirming a few things that were said

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in those initial interviews so not only

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was the government saying yes this was

544
00:24:10,150 --> 00:24:08,300
the nickname it had a lot of implication

545
00:24:14,350 --> 00:24:10,160
behind it and that sort of set the

546
00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:14,360
ground for I'd say interested parties to

547
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:18,710
start running saying well there's a lot

548
00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:22,000
more merit to this particular

549
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:24,710
investigation of this secret base now

550
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:26,450
yeah and this story brought out Bob

551
00:24:31,860 --> 00:24:29,450
Lazar too right remember his stories he

552
00:24:34,030 --> 00:24:31,870
would comment on it you know their

553
00:24:35,890 --> 00:24:34,040
mainstream media outlets would get

554
00:24:37,210 --> 00:24:35,900
quotes from him and I remember it opened

555
00:24:38,860 --> 00:24:37,220
minds we'd wrote a story about it it was

556
00:24:41,170 --> 00:24:38,870
something like Bob Lazar is not

557
00:24:43,540 --> 00:24:41,180
impressed with the declassification of

558
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:43,550
area 51 he's all yeah so what else is

559
00:24:50,020 --> 00:24:46,010
new like he was that's what I've been

560
00:24:52,780 --> 00:24:50,030
telling you yeah I remember back in I

561
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:52,790
think it was 95 yeah that's when they

562
00:24:58,450 --> 00:24:55,490
like there's a lawsuits against the base

563
00:25:01,480 --> 00:24:58,460
were made by like former yes cuz if they

564
00:25:04,090 --> 00:25:01,490
like the toxic fumes and everything that

565
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:04,100
they had a lot of people were dying out

566
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:05,810
there so like the government had to

567
00:25:09,630 --> 00:25:07,370
acknowledge that when the lawsuit came

568
00:25:11,530 --> 00:25:09,640
about and I remember hearing like

569
00:25:14,530 --> 00:25:11,540
specifically an Air Force attorney

570
00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:14,540
saying your honor there is no name there

571
00:25:18,730 --> 00:25:16,310
is no name for the operating location

572
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:18,740
near groom lake and that always gave me

573
00:25:23,170 --> 00:25:21,170
chills back when I heard about that but

574
00:25:24,910 --> 00:25:23,180
the fact that like through like Freedom

575
00:25:27,730 --> 00:25:24,920
of Information requests in lawsuits

576
00:25:29,770 --> 00:25:27,740
that's how we finally got the CIA to

577
00:25:31,930 --> 00:25:29,780
acknowledge it being area 51 so I

578
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,940
remember my phone blowing up that day I

579
00:25:35,710 --> 00:25:33,200
don't know if there was the same for you

580
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:35,720
guys yeah almost as much as you know the

581
00:25:40,180 --> 00:25:38,210
current stuff going on so that I loved

582
00:25:42,820 --> 00:25:40,190
it I I thought it was awesome

583
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:42,830
I think that's with anything like this

584
00:25:46,510 --> 00:25:44,710
as soon as it starts making headlines

585
00:25:49,870 --> 00:25:46,520
yeah my phone my

586
00:25:51,730 --> 00:25:49,880
email blew up friends who you know

587
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:51,740
aren't paying attention to this stuff

588
00:25:56,980 --> 00:25:54,170
but they thought for them it meant so

589
00:25:58,990 --> 00:25:56,990
much more than it did to me because they

590
00:26:02,830 --> 00:25:59,000
were like what is this there actually is

591
00:26:04,420 --> 00:26:02,840
a base there what's happening yeah have

592
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:04,430
all the answers don't you tell me what

593
00:26:11,050 --> 00:26:07,520
it is what it is a slight vinification

594
00:26:14,050 --> 00:26:11,060
right if not for Bob but for even

595
00:26:17,260 --> 00:26:14,060
ufology I mean you know we have all been

596
00:26:19,540 --> 00:26:17,270
throwing area51 around for a lot of

597
00:26:21,730 --> 00:26:19,550
decades but you know for official

598
00:26:24,190 --> 00:26:21,740
confirmation does kind of feel good in

599
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:24,200
that way right it gets it in the the

600
00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:27,110
public public's public's mind and then

601
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:28,870
all of a sudden it becomes real yeah

602
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:31,840
yeah it's also one of the best

603
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:34,910
first-person shooter arcade games out

604
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:37,490
there yes yes

605
00:26:44,260 --> 00:26:40,490
do you prefer area 51 or the follow-up

606
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:44,270
s4 I did not know they made it as I have

607
00:26:47,470 --> 00:26:45,710
a second one I think it's called I think

608
00:26:49,660 --> 00:26:47,480
it's called Ashmore or site for yeah

609
00:26:52,420 --> 00:26:49,670
yeah they do have an area 51 to

610
00:26:53,410 --> 00:26:52,430
basically that is so weird I love it I

611
00:26:55,330 --> 00:26:53,420
love it

612
00:26:57,790 --> 00:26:55,340
and there's the one also that Nick

613
00:27:00,520 --> 00:26:57,800
Pope's part of right the more recent one

614
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:00,530
video game on man yes I've got it I have

615
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:03,770
to look I did not know Nick Pope was

616
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:06,290
doing I'm sorry video game action is

617
00:27:13,690 --> 00:27:10,910
some consulting on any idea insulted on

618
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:13,700
that yeah yeah that's honey that is

619
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:16,010
awesome what won't that guy do let's be

620
00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:20,810
honest I mean all right let's move on to

621
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,390
the next one so what have you got for

622
00:27:29,470 --> 00:27:25,520
the next item on our list Shane oh this

623
00:27:31,210 --> 00:27:29,480
is the Citizen hearing on disclosure so

624
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:31,220
when we think about it the last

625
00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:33,710
congressional hearing dealing with the

626
00:27:38,530 --> 00:27:36,710
extra-terrestrial issue was before the

627
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:38,540
house science and Aeronautics Committee

628
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:41,090
in July of 1968 so I was you know

629
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:43,490
obviously over fifty years ago the

630
00:27:49,150 --> 00:27:46,210
Citizen hearing on disclosure was a mock

631
00:27:54,250 --> 00:27:49,160
congressional hearing held in April and

632
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:54,260
May of 2013 to do what they say the

633
00:27:59,470 --> 00:27:57,770
Congress has failed to do since 1968 and

634
00:28:00,200 --> 00:27:59,480
that is seek out the facts surrounding

635
00:28:02,180 --> 00:28:00,210
the most

636
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:02,190
or an issue of this or any other time

637
00:28:08,450 --> 00:28:05,570
and that is evidence pointing toward an

638
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:08,460
extraterrestrial presence engaging the

639
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:11,850
human race so what they did this is the

640
00:28:17,420 --> 00:28:14,370
work of Steven Bassett the paradigm

641
00:28:20,530 --> 00:28:17,430
research group and they assembled this

642
00:28:22,820 --> 00:28:20,540
this hearing 42 persons including

643
00:28:25,820 --> 00:28:22,830
researchers and military and political

644
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:25,830
witnesses of Rankin station they came to

645
00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:28,010
the National Press Club in Washington DC

646
00:28:33,530 --> 00:28:31,260
to testify before six former members of

647
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:33,540
the United States Congress so they had

648
00:28:37,390 --> 00:28:35,340
this main ballroom set up in the

649
00:28:39,530 --> 00:28:37,400
National Press Club was configured

650
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:39,540
configured to look like a Senate hearing

651
00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:42,510
room there were press areas audience

652
00:28:50,350 --> 00:28:45,750
areas witnesses tables committee tables

653
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,360
or you know professional protocols for

654
00:28:55,910 --> 00:28:52,080
congressional hearings that they

655
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,920
followed as closely as possible the the

656
00:28:59,810 --> 00:28:57,600
committee members these former

657
00:29:01,670 --> 00:28:59,820
congressmen and congresswomen received

658
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:01,680
written statements from the witnesses

659
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:04,410
and they heard oral statements and they

660
00:29:09,860 --> 00:29:06,210
were allowed to ask questions just in a

661
00:29:13,820 --> 00:29:09,870
typical hearing it was like 35 hours of

662
00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:13,830
testimony over five days and then the

663
00:29:21,170 --> 00:29:17,400
entire thing was filmed and that video

664
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:21,180
is available to everyone on the paradigm

665
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:24,960
research group org website and it it is

666
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:28,080
pretty fascinating is really historical

667
00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:31,050
and it captures a lot of testimony from

668
00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:33,270
people that you know eventually probably

669
00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:35,460
in our lifetime they'll be gone and so

670
00:29:41,450 --> 00:29:37,740
that this is a you know a historical

671
00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:41,460
record of that yeah actually we sent one

672
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:43,380
of our colleagues at the time Antonio

673
00:29:49,460 --> 00:29:47,130
who næss was present at the Citizen

674
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:49,470
hearings and can it gave us a

675
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:52,170
behind-the-scenes look at what was

676
00:29:56,180 --> 00:29:54,090
happening and I think that yeah the

677
00:29:59,600 --> 00:29:56,190
importance of this it's a faux hearing

678
00:30:02,840 --> 00:29:59,610
the former senators and congressmen were

679
00:30:05,180 --> 00:30:02,850
paid to be there or at least were

680
00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:05,190
offered money to be there not sure if

681
00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:07,320
they actually got their payout or not

682
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:11,700
but you know this is one of those things

683
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,530
where it was

684
00:30:19,340 --> 00:30:15,840
to set up a professional environment for

685
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:19,350
lawmakers to seriously look at the fact

686
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:23,490
that there is credible people detailing

687
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:26,490
very strange phenomena less activity and

688
00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:29,490
and so I think that the effort well it's

689
00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:31,710
kind of you know oh it's a faux hearing

690
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:33,240
you know why do we care

691
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:36,170
well we care because we're trying to get

692
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,080
people to take this phenomenon seriously

693
00:30:45,290 --> 00:30:42,960
so that's my face on it and look at like

694
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:45,300
it kind of paved the way in some weird

695
00:30:51,770 --> 00:30:49,500
you know bastardized way that now actual

696
00:30:55,340 --> 00:30:51,780
senators in office are being briefed on

697
00:30:58,100 --> 00:30:55,350
UFOs so I mean I for as much as people

698
00:31:00,980 --> 00:30:58,110
may mock it because it was a mock

699
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:00,990
hearing I guess I thought like Shane

700
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:03,570
said we now have these things on record

701
00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:05,310
from some of the most prominent

702
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:08,220
witnesses out there I mean you know you

703
00:31:12,260 --> 00:31:10,110
look at the Rendlesham guys Jim

704
00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:12,270
Penniston and John Burroughs there was

705
00:31:17,180 --> 00:31:14,670
the most amazing testimony I've heard

706
00:31:19,030 --> 00:31:17,190
from them at those hearings and that's

707
00:31:22,670 --> 00:31:19,040
one of the most pivotal cases we have to

708
00:31:24,260 --> 00:31:22,680
rely on in ufology so I think that was

709
00:31:26,660 --> 00:31:24,270
really cool to see some of these people

710
00:31:29,270 --> 00:31:26,670
all in one room doing this and then to

711
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:29,280
hear the reactions from the former

712
00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:31,650
Congress men and women yes they may have

713
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:34,230
been paid you know to to maybe seem

714
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,510
interested but I do think all of them

715
00:31:40,910 --> 00:31:38,880
were genuinely interested in what they

716
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:40,920
were hearing and in fact I know some of

717
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:44,340
them went on to then like try to rally

718
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:46,530
the troops and get actual congressmen to

719
00:31:50,660 --> 00:31:48,510
look at this so yeah I thought it was a

720
00:31:53,390 --> 00:31:50,670
valiant effort for sure it did seem like

721
00:31:55,220 --> 00:31:53,400
they were genuinely interested and you

722
00:31:57,940 --> 00:31:55,230
know you mentioned that him being paid

723
00:32:00,410 --> 00:31:57,950
and unfortunately there was plenty of of

724
00:32:03,290 --> 00:32:00,420
mainstream press coverage that focused

725
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:03,300
on that fact about how the dollar amount

726
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:05,250
that they were paid to sit and listen to

727
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:08,130
crazy UFOs but that was the unfortunate

728
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:10,440
part about it but it did generate a lot

729
00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:13,290
of positive headlines and I guess we

730
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:16,500
should point out too that ruben Langdon

731
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:19,170
and even Jeremy Korbel played a big role

732
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:21,930
in in the execution of the the Citizen

733
00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:23,510
hearing as well

734
00:32:29,170 --> 00:32:26,630
absolutely and I think you know just

735
00:32:33,610 --> 00:32:29,180
looking back on it now it's it was a

736
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,620
very novel approach on the issue of

737
00:32:37,570 --> 00:32:36,080
disclosure right so for you know 70

738
00:32:38,890 --> 00:32:37,580
years we've been banging away trying to

739
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:38,900
get something out of the government it

740
00:32:43,060 --> 00:32:40,610
was just a different way to try and see

741
00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:43,070
if we could shake something loose so I

742
00:32:47,530 --> 00:32:45,860
give give Steven Bassett credit for that

743
00:32:49,870 --> 00:32:47,540
thinking out of the box and trying

744
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:49,880
something really different and and I

745
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:52,250
think you know it did produce some

746
00:32:57,460 --> 00:32:55,010
meaningful results not what we wanted

747
00:32:59,410 --> 00:32:57,470
but you know still meaningful results so

748
00:33:02,050 --> 00:32:59,420
you know at least kudos Dan for trying

749
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,060
something different and and you know

750
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:04,640
it's definitely I think great viewing

751
00:33:08,290 --> 00:33:06,110
and something everybody should have to

752
00:33:10,030 --> 00:33:08,300
look at yeah definitely and and yeah

753
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:10,040
Citizen hearing gorg's no place you can

754
00:33:13,210 --> 00:33:12,170
go watch all that testimony pretty

755
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:13,220
fascinating stuff

756
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:15,650
oh let's move on to the next item

757
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,050
counting down our list Ryan what have

758
00:33:23,890 --> 00:33:20,720
you got yeah you've got our favorite

759
00:33:26,350 --> 00:33:23,900
don't you this is okay right on the list

760
00:33:28,180 --> 00:33:26,360
I don't know what I did to deserve this

761
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:28,190
but okay okay here we go

762
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:30,290
bear with me guys I'm gonna try to get

763
00:33:35,260 --> 00:33:32,330
through this convoluted story as quickly

764
00:33:38,380 --> 00:33:35,270
as possible this happened back in May of

765
00:33:41,380 --> 00:33:38,390
2015 when our favorite Mexican UFO

766
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:41,390
researcher Haim a son he unveiled to the

767
00:33:46,510 --> 00:33:44,210
world what he says were slides and

768
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:46,520
images of an alien from the Roswell UFO

769
00:33:52,660 --> 00:33:50,090
crash he presented this to a huge

770
00:33:55,690 --> 00:33:52,670
audience at a stadium in Mexico City and

771
00:33:58,780 --> 00:33:55,700
streamed it across the world for a price

772
00:34:01,660 --> 00:33:58,790
I might add the image is they first

773
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:01,670
became known by a man named Adam do who

774
00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:04,130
brought them to moose on and several

775
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:05,990
other Roswell investigators including

776
00:34:11,110 --> 00:34:08,480
Don Schmitt and Tom Carey and for almost

777
00:34:12,820 --> 00:34:11,120
a year I think they were kind of teasing

778
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:12,830
this thing and promoting the idea that

779
00:34:16,690 --> 00:34:15,290
they had this bombshell evidence that

780
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:16,700
would blow the entire Roswell incident

781
00:34:24,190 --> 00:34:20,480
wide open and then the day and make aim

782
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:24,200
and we all saw the images and I think

783
00:34:29,380 --> 00:34:26,690
all of us were little less than

784
00:34:32,380 --> 00:34:29,390
satisfied the the image showed a very

785
00:34:35,230 --> 00:34:32,390
blurry image of a small being one lying

786
00:34:35,930 --> 00:34:35,240
on a slab in front of some sort of glass

787
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:35,940
case

788
00:34:40,579 --> 00:34:38,399
I believe I'm looking at the picture

789
00:34:43,220 --> 00:34:40,589
right there was a placard that sat below

790
00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:43,230
it but could not be read by the human

791
00:34:49,099 --> 00:34:45,720
eye of course blurry photos seem to be a

792
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:49,109
staple for the UFO field but for over

793
00:34:54,740 --> 00:34:52,050
two hours at this packed Stadium and a

794
00:34:56,659 --> 00:34:54,750
horribly streamed audience Masson

795
00:34:58,940 --> 00:34:56,669
invited researchers and scientists to

796
00:35:01,849 --> 00:34:58,950
speak some of which actually backed up

797
00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:01,859
the images gave us a play-by-play of how

798
00:35:05,809 --> 00:35:04,020
they supposedly came to be and

799
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,819
everything and for some reason Richard

800
00:35:09,859 --> 00:35:07,920
Owen was there he never thought the

801
00:35:11,780 --> 00:35:09,869
image was alien but he was still there

802
00:35:15,859 --> 00:35:11,790
speaking I will never forgive him for

803
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:15,869
that but one slide was shown at the

804
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,300
event and later haami Masson would post

805
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:20,400
a second image on his Twitter account so

806
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:24,210
within 48 hours of this a group of UFO

807
00:35:28,609 --> 00:35:25,970
researchers and tech-savvy individuals

808
00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:28,619
going the Roswell sites research group

809
00:35:34,220 --> 00:35:31,500
they were able to deburr the image and

810
00:35:36,319 --> 00:35:34,230
figure out that the placard on the image

811
00:35:36,609 --> 00:35:36,329
said mummified body of a two year old

812
00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:36,619
boy

813
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:39,060
so immediately some of the people

814
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:40,380
started getting defensive that weren't

815
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:41,940
involved saying that the de blurred

816
00:35:47,260 --> 00:35:45,089
photo is fake this that this that but

817
00:35:49,579 --> 00:35:47,270
then more of the the placard was

818
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:49,589
deplored and it read at the time of the

819
00:35:53,780 --> 00:35:51,089
burial the body was clothed in a

820
00:35:55,940 --> 00:35:53,790
slipcover cotton shirt burial wrappings

821
00:35:59,089 --> 00:35:55,950
consisted of three small blankets and

822
00:36:02,480 --> 00:35:59,099
the last line which kind of blew this

823
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:02,490
all wide open was quote loaned by mr. SL

824
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,240
Palmer San Francisco California so this

825
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:08,640
led other researchers to then look into

826
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:12,240
it and they found out that this guy SL

827
00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:15,510
Palmer had given this mummy that he

828
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:18,540
found to this museum the museum in Mesa

829
00:36:24,859 --> 00:36:22,490
Verde so this kind of buried you know

830
00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:24,869
buried the hatchet on this whole thing

831
00:36:28,970 --> 00:36:26,190
it clearly wasn't a lien it was a

832
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:28,980
mummified body and since then mostly all

833
00:36:34,579 --> 00:36:31,050
involved of issued public apologies

834
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:34,589
forgettin everyone's hopes up you know

835
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:37,170
Tom carried on Schmidt said sorry we got

836
00:36:43,339 --> 00:36:41,400
our passion got the best of us I mean my

837
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,349
son I don't really know where he stands

838
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:45,599
on all this today but the main person

839
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:46,890
that kind of started this all

840
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:49,650
Adam do is like nowhere to be

841
00:36:53,180 --> 00:36:50,880
he was supposed to come out with a

842
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,190
documentary about and never happened

843
00:36:58,099 --> 00:36:55,680
we never saw these crystal-clear copies

844
00:37:02,870 --> 00:36:58,109
that Adam supposedly has of these images

845
00:37:06,259 --> 00:37:02,880
either so yeah I think this is a huge

846
00:37:08,180 --> 00:37:06,269
black eye on the UFO community this

847
00:37:10,220 --> 00:37:08,190
entire thing and it really goes to show

848
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:10,230
that when your passion and beliefs get

849
00:37:15,259 --> 00:37:12,690
ahead of ya it can really really look

850
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:15,269
bad for the rest of us so yeah that was

851
00:37:20,539 --> 00:37:17,730
that was right UFOs are so just just the

852
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:20,549
nature of UFOs with with the the mystery

853
00:37:27,140 --> 00:37:24,480
that they are it's just so ridiculous

854
00:37:30,829 --> 00:37:27,150
for a researcher to come out and make

855
00:37:32,749 --> 00:37:30,839
grand claims and both I mean everybody

856
00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:32,759
involved in this should have known

857
00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:33,180
better

858
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:36,900
certainly not the individual who own

859
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:38,730
these things claimed to find them in a

860
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:40,650
cigar box in a house or whatever free to

861
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:43,650
I wanted to make a documentary with that

862
00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:45,690
it's not a UFO researcher but the UFO

863
00:37:49,730 --> 00:37:47,369
research is involved should have known

864
00:37:53,059 --> 00:37:49,740
better than to hype this thing up make

865
00:37:56,839 --> 00:37:53,069
grand claims and affirmative ly say this

866
00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:56,849
was absolutely something we know we know

867
00:38:00,499 --> 00:37:58,980
better right I mean that we go ahead I

868
00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:00,509
was just gonna say but that's happened

869
00:38:05,539 --> 00:38:03,390
so many times in this decade you know

870
00:38:07,819 --> 00:38:05,549
yes and that's what I'm saying I mean

871
00:38:10,339 --> 00:38:07,829
rhasta liable should people should learn

872
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:10,349
and you can't make these grand claims

873
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:11,970
because we're dealing with something so

874
00:38:17,269 --> 00:38:14,400
mysterious so unknown and being a

875
00:38:19,420 --> 00:38:17,279
responsible researcher you just can't

876
00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:19,430
make claims like that unless you have

877
00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:22,140
definitive proof to back it up these

878
00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:23,849
guys were operating under assumptions

879
00:38:28,489 --> 00:38:25,470
they were operating under things that

880
00:38:29,749 --> 00:38:28,499
they've been told they didn't see the

881
00:38:31,460 --> 00:38:29,759
test for themselves they didn't get

882
00:38:33,859 --> 00:38:31,470
testing done by themselves they were

883
00:38:35,539 --> 00:38:33,869
being told things that Jaime was telling

884
00:38:37,309 --> 00:38:35,549
them that had been done by questionable

885
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:37,319
doctors and all sorts of weird things

886
00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:39,450
with this whole case but they didn't

887
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,710
personally know they hadn't done the

888
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:42,720
research on it and they were hyping this

889
00:38:46,819 --> 00:38:44,970
thing from the stage you know at

890
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,829
conferences and things saying we have

891
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:48,720
definitive proof that Roswell was alien

892
00:38:53,479 --> 00:38:50,700
and all this stuff really hyping it up

893
00:38:55,819 --> 00:38:53,489
and it just came back and slapped him so

894
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:55,829
hard in the face you know it's it's hard

895
00:38:59,839 --> 00:38:57,930
to believe that they've managed to you

896
00:39:01,849 --> 00:38:59,849
know recuperate from that I mean it was

897
00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:01,859
it was a dirty time for a while I mean

898
00:39:06,140 --> 00:39:04,380
rich Dolan was getting so much [\h__\h] and

899
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:06,150
rightfully so I mean everybody involved

900
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,170
with this it was just such an

901
00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:09,359
embarrassing debacle that people would

902
00:39:13,969 --> 00:39:12,420
make grand claims without you know being

903
00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:13,979
cautious without putting the thing out

904
00:39:17,660 --> 00:39:15,150
there saying hey we found something

905
00:39:19,249 --> 00:39:17,670
interesting it might be extraterrestrial

906
00:39:21,469 --> 00:39:19,259
we don't know but we're going to show

907
00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:21,479
you something and we're working on this

908
00:39:24,319 --> 00:39:22,920
we'll figure it out we'll do testing

909
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:24,329
whatever we have to do to figure it out

910
00:39:29,539 --> 00:39:26,609
but here's an interesting development in

911
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,549
the case right and I think this one

912
00:39:37,219 --> 00:39:31,440
really is an example of like how our

913
00:39:40,579 --> 00:39:37,229
field gets amnesia and I mean I like to

914
00:39:42,319 --> 00:39:40,589
compare this Jason kinda to UM our good

915
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,329
friend and colleague Peter Robbins I

916
00:39:46,940 --> 00:39:44,640
mean this guy based almost half his

917
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:46,950
career on one case the Rendlesham case

918
00:39:50,329 --> 00:39:48,900
and then to come to find out like the

919
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:50,339
guy who worked with may have been less

920
00:39:55,489 --> 00:39:52,650
than honest about his involvement and

921
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:55,499
what did Peter do he he admitted to it

922
00:40:01,549 --> 00:39:58,650
he like stood up he manned up as it were

923
00:40:03,319 --> 00:40:01,559
and he said look I messed up and I want

924
00:40:06,229 --> 00:40:03,329
to move on from that and I want to do

925
00:40:09,069 --> 00:40:06,239
the right thing and let's just keep

926
00:40:12,430 --> 00:40:09,079
working at this when members of this

927
00:40:14,930 --> 00:40:12,440
whether they issued an apology or not

928
00:40:16,789 --> 00:40:14,940
still aren't owning up to it in my

929
00:40:19,969 --> 00:40:16,799
opinion in terms of like how detrimental

930
00:40:22,759 --> 00:40:19,979
this was but again like any story it'll

931
00:40:25,249 --> 00:40:22,769
fade into obscurity like they all do but

932
00:40:28,279 --> 00:40:25,259
this was more an example of good

933
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:28,289
diligent research by you know civilians

934
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,180
and by like people behind their

935
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:32,640
computers this Roswell slides research

936
00:40:37,549 --> 00:40:35,130
group jumped it out and I have got to

937
00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:37,559
thank them they did an amazing amazing

938
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:39,900
work and that's what we need and well

939
00:40:46,209 --> 00:40:42,839
I'm sure for for like Richard and Tom

940
00:40:53,479 --> 00:40:46,219
and Don that this case falls on a on a

941
00:40:56,109 --> 00:40:53,489
top-10 list of a different kind like I

942
00:41:00,140 --> 00:40:56,119
mean this decade has been a mark of like

943
00:41:01,579 --> 00:41:00,150
alleged alien mummies and this is not

944
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:01,589
the only embarrassing one and since

945
00:41:07,390 --> 00:41:04,890
we're not covering them gonna do my due

946
00:41:11,410 --> 00:41:07,400
diligence and this is very similar to

947
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,420
the hype that was around the atacama

948
00:41:16,220 --> 00:41:13,680
mummy that was oh yes

949
00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:16,230
that is less really little Atta that was

950
00:41:21,250 --> 00:41:18,540
maybe a de not to be mistaken for baby

951
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:21,260
Yoda right huge in the news and then

952
00:41:25,849 --> 00:41:23,490
unfortunately I really would like

953
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:25,859
luckily my name isn't totally associated

954
00:41:33,319 --> 00:41:28,710
with this but Jason and I had to deal

955
00:41:36,020 --> 00:41:33,329
with Pepe the squirrel monkey that was

956
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:36,030
that was advertised as being an alien

957
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:41,520
mummy also from Jaime mousse on and so

958
00:41:48,049 --> 00:41:43,440
yeah there this is something that keeps

959
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,059
appearing and especially with items that

960
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:50,880
look strange that are mummified we don't

961
00:41:54,049 --> 00:41:51,510
know what it is

962
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:54,059
let's not immediately just because it

963
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:55,410
looks strange jump to the

964
00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:57,450
extra-terrestrial conclusion I think

965
00:42:01,880 --> 00:41:58,980
that's the most important thing any of

966
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:01,890
us can do like we say you know due

967
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,530
diligence on research put the science

968
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,200
behind it then if it comes back saying

969
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:09,920
holy [\h__\h] this is legitimately

970
00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:11,940
extraterrestrial in nature then let's

971
00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:14,609
tell the world when I want one day if I

972
00:42:19,460 --> 00:42:16,980
decide to to reach the point to where I

973
00:42:22,579 --> 00:42:19,470
just want to completely trash my

974
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,589
credibility and you know throw myself

975
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:24,960
down the toilet I'm gonna pull out my

976
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:29,210
old photos with Pepe

977
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:31,530
holding Pepe and kissing Pepe and

978
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:33,210
everything I'll post him around and tell

979
00:42:43,339 --> 00:42:41,520
people that I found an alien people yeah

980
00:42:45,319 --> 00:42:43,349
I could go back to some people and get

981
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:45,329
some get some money and get a circus

982
00:42:50,329 --> 00:42:47,640
going and we great I'm sure we all have

983
00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:50,339
some photos from our UFO days that we

984
00:42:56,900 --> 00:42:54,660
don't want the oh I posted most of them

985
00:43:00,589 --> 00:42:56,910
publicly but making fun of it but if I

986
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:00,599
were to be be a sleazy person and past

987
00:43:06,859 --> 00:43:03,720
try to pass them off as real there would

988
00:43:09,380 --> 00:43:06,869
be some biters oh yeah that is so true

989
00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:09,390
yeah alright well the next item on our

990
00:43:15,049 --> 00:43:12,540
list was tremendously publicly visible

991
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,059
and we're talking about Hillary Clinton

992
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:17,280
so as she started hitting the campaign

993
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,290
trail in her push for the White House

994
00:43:24,460 --> 00:43:21,599
Hillary Clinton made considerable

995
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:24,470
headlines related to UFOs in 2016

996
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:27,290
Hillary and her husband former US

997
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:29,690
President Bill Clinton are very vocal

998
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:32,480
about their interest in UFOs and during

999
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:35,570
one of her publicity stops when she was

1000
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:38,450
asked about UFOs she commented quote I

1001
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:40,250
think we may have been visited already

1002
00:43:45,130 --> 00:43:43,910
we don't know for sure in quote and who

1003
00:43:47,380 --> 00:43:45,140
could forget her appearance on Jimmy

1004
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:47,390
Kimmel Live where she stated quote I

1005
00:43:52,060 --> 00:43:49,730
would like us to go into those files and

1006
00:43:54,190 --> 00:43:52,070
hopefully make as much of that public as

1007
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:54,200
possible if there's nothing there let's

1008
00:43:58,900 --> 00:43:55,610
tell the people there's nothing there

1009
00:44:01,150 --> 00:43:58,910
and quote then there was the moment on

1010
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:01,160
that show when she explained to Kimmel

1011
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:04,010
that quote unidentified aerial phenomena

1012
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:07,370
or UAP is the modern nomenclature for

1013
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:10,370
UFOs Bill Clinton's chief of staff John

1014
00:44:14,740 --> 00:44:12,170
Podesta was also Hillary's campaign

1015
00:44:17,380 --> 00:44:14,750
chairman this former counselor to

1016
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:17,390
President Obama is a strong advocate for

1017
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:19,490
government transparency when it comes to

1018
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,010
knowledge of UFOs and files related to

1019
00:44:27,340 --> 00:44:25,040
UFO phenomena when Podesta left the

1020
00:44:29,980 --> 00:44:27,350
White House he began working on

1021
00:44:33,070 --> 00:44:29,990
Clinton's campaign and he publicly

1022
00:44:35,260 --> 00:44:33,080
voiced regret over not being able to get

1023
00:44:35,650 --> 00:44:35,270
the government UFO FILES released to the

1024
00:44:39,070 --> 00:44:35,660
public

1025
00:44:41,590 --> 00:44:39,080
while on the campaign trail in 2016 when

1026
00:44:44,350 --> 00:44:41,600
asked about Podesta Hillary stated quote

1027
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,360
he has made me personally pledged we are

1028
00:44:49,660 --> 00:44:46,160
going to get the information out in

1029
00:44:52,030 --> 00:44:49,670
quote she continued quote one way or

1030
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:52,040
another maybe we could have like a task

1031
00:44:56,260 --> 00:44:53,330
force go to area 51

1032
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:56,270
end quote of course Podesta generated

1033
00:44:59,980 --> 00:44:58,010
considerable UFO headlines of his own

1034
00:45:02,350 --> 00:44:59,990
including those related to WikiLeaks

1035
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:02,360
publishing his hacked emails and some of

1036
00:45:08,050 --> 00:45:04,130
those emails contained communications

1037
00:45:11,380 --> 00:45:08,060
with Tom DeLonge about UFOs but yeah

1038
00:45:14,410 --> 00:45:11,390
Hillary certainly generated countless

1039
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:14,420
ufo-related headlines around that time

1040
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:16,370
that was pretty fun also another

1041
00:45:21,220 --> 00:45:18,410
headline she generated unless somehow I

1042
00:45:23,020 --> 00:45:21,230
missed that you said that is you know

1043
00:45:25,060 --> 00:45:23,030
the photo came out of her walking around

1044
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:25,070
with Lawrence Rockefeller and she was

1045
00:45:28,570 --> 00:45:26,690
holding a book that everyone freaked out

1046
00:45:30,580 --> 00:45:28,580
over oh yeah and there they're like what

1047
00:45:33,540 --> 00:45:30,590
is it and it finally came to light that

1048
00:45:37,540 --> 00:45:33,550
the book was Paul Davies are we alone

1049
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:37,550
and people went through the roof with

1050
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:39,650
that because that meant she was actively

1051
00:45:43,390 --> 00:45:41,650
talking

1052
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,400
extraterrestrial life with Lawrence

1053
00:45:47,710 --> 00:45:45,680
Rockefeller and walking around his

1054
00:45:49,690 --> 00:45:47,720
estate yeah that happened prior to this

1055
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:49,700
decade yeah the big solving of what the

1056
00:45:55,330 --> 00:45:53,570
book was right came out yeah yeah and

1057
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,340
she kind of [\h__\h] paved the way for

1058
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:57,760
other politicians like Bernie Sanders

1059
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,280
Andrew yang they both has said like on

1060
00:46:06,190 --> 00:46:02,960
the campaign run like oh yeah totally

1061
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:06,200
I'll disclose any info on that we all

1062
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:08,290
know like they'll they all say that

1063
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,170
happens but it was cool to see other you

1064
00:46:16,359 --> 00:46:14,480
know other representatives saying stuff

1065
00:46:18,730 --> 00:46:16,369
about like yeah totally I'll look into

1066
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,740
the topic and gods Jimmy Kimmel you know

1067
00:46:22,570 --> 00:46:20,240
that's his thing every politician who

1068
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:22,580
comes on every president you know he

1069
00:46:28,060 --> 00:46:24,890
loves asking about UFOs he's done that

1070
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:28,070
with GW he did that with Obama that with

1071
00:46:33,099 --> 00:46:30,290
Bill Clinton so that well he's openly

1072
00:46:35,290 --> 00:46:33,109
stated he will always ask that question

1073
00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:35,300
yes I will always to every presidential

1074
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:41,530
if I were elected president the first

1075
00:46:47,740 --> 00:46:43,730
thing I do is run in and say tell me

1076
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:47,750
about the UFOs I love Jimmy come love it

1077
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:50,330
yeah yeah love it yep put him as your

1078
00:46:57,339 --> 00:46:53,570
write-in vote guys all right next on the

1079
00:46:58,750 --> 00:46:57,349
list Maureen what is next so some of the

1080
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:58,760
most exciting things that have happened

1081
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:01,520
over the last decade are a continuance

1082
00:47:08,380 --> 00:47:05,170
of commercial flights seeing UFOs

1083
00:47:10,839 --> 00:47:08,390
especially near the end of 2017 and the

1084
00:47:13,060 --> 00:47:10,849
beginning of 2018 there was some really

1085
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:13,070
exciting and incidents of commercial

1086
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:15,770
pilots and unidentified flying objects

1087
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:17,930
and these were reports that generated

1088
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:19,369
headlines that went all over the world

1089
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:21,530
an unidentified craft was seen on

1090
00:47:27,550 --> 00:47:24,770
October 25th 2017 in the sky near the

1091
00:47:29,620 --> 00:47:27,560
border of California in Oregon the UFO

1092
00:47:31,630 --> 00:47:29,630
was seen visually by several commercial

1093
00:47:33,250 --> 00:47:31,640
pilots in the sky and they worked with

1094
00:47:35,770 --> 00:47:33,260
ground controllers in an attempt to

1095
00:47:37,930 --> 00:47:35,780
identify it this unidentified white

1096
00:47:40,210 --> 00:47:37,940
craft was seen by several pilots flying

1097
00:47:41,950 --> 00:47:40,220
over Oregon and fighter jets were

1098
00:47:43,630 --> 00:47:41,960
scrambled to intercept and identified

1099
00:47:46,690 --> 00:47:43,640
the unknown craft but they were

1100
00:47:48,970 --> 00:47:46,700
unsuccessful in locating it the FAA and

1101
00:47:51,790 --> 00:47:48,980
NORAD confirmed the incident occurred so

1102
00:47:53,859 --> 00:47:51,800
we have official backing that this is is

1103
00:47:54,730 --> 00:47:53,869
something that happened the craft was

1104
00:47:56,820 --> 00:47:54,740
large enough to be

1105
00:47:59,200 --> 00:47:56,830
see at a distance by commercial traffic

1106
00:48:01,000 --> 00:47:59,210
reportedly traveled at incredible speeds

1107
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:01,010
and it had limited radar reflectivity

1108
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:03,890
and was capable of executing haiji

1109
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:06,530
maneuvers so nobody knows what this is

1110
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:09,920
and this was really crazy they you know

1111
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:12,650
thought maybe it was a drug plane but it

1112
00:48:16,780 --> 00:48:14,450
wasn't so it traveled off and they can't

1113
00:48:18,670 --> 00:48:16,790
find it the fact that fighter jets are

1114
00:48:20,770 --> 00:48:18,680
scrambled is really cool and a similar

1115
00:48:24,550 --> 00:48:20,780
incident occurred on the afternoon of

1116
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:24,560
February 24th in 2018 and when two

1117
00:48:28,810 --> 00:48:26,240
commercial airliners independently

1118
00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:28,820
spotted a UFO this took place in south

1119
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:30,920
eastern Arizona knew the near Mexico

1120
00:48:34,810 --> 00:48:32,690
border and the crews aboard these planes

1121
00:48:36,820 --> 00:48:34,820
communicated with Albuquerque Center air

1122
00:48:39,130 --> 00:48:36,830
traffic control reporting their visual

1123
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:39,140
sighting as it took place in the entire

1124
00:48:44,350 --> 00:48:41,090
incident for this one lasted only about

1125
00:48:46,660 --> 00:48:44,360
six minutes so one of the most important

1126
00:48:48,670 --> 00:48:46,670
things about these commercial sightings

1127
00:48:52,420 --> 00:48:48,680
and why we get really excited about them

1128
00:48:55,930 --> 00:48:52,430
is because a pilots are trained to look

1129
00:48:58,660 --> 00:48:55,940
for aircraft in the sky ground controls

1130
00:48:59,920 --> 00:48:58,670
trained to follow craft and obviously

1131
00:49:03,190 --> 00:48:59,930
you're supposed to have your flight path

1132
00:49:05,140 --> 00:49:03,200
in so when unknown objects are spotted

1133
00:49:06,970 --> 00:49:05,150
by these you also have mass witnesses

1134
00:49:10,060 --> 00:49:06,980
and you have a lot of science at your

1135
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:10,070
disposal already in order to try and

1136
00:49:16,060 --> 00:49:12,650
identify something well it's still in

1137
00:49:17,890 --> 00:49:16,070
the air and I know with the the Oregon

1138
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:17,900
California they were really worried you

1139
00:49:21,700 --> 00:49:19,310
know that like I said it was drug

1140
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:21,710
trafficker headed up to the Canadian

1141
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:23,930
border but this this white object just

1142
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:25,850
basically disappeared after all these

1143
00:49:30,340 --> 00:49:28,609
people had seen it in the fighter jets

1144
00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:30,350
I mean fighter jets move at incredible

1145
00:49:34,990 --> 00:49:33,470
speeds but not fast yeah fighter jets

1146
00:49:38,290 --> 00:49:35,000
couldn't find it they went up and

1147
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:38,300
they're all um hello yeah that is crazy

1148
00:49:43,660 --> 00:49:41,090
and one of the coolest thing about both

1149
00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:43,670
of these cases is thanks to the

1150
00:49:49,150 --> 00:49:46,790
incredible work of Tyler rogue away we

1151
00:49:51,580 --> 00:49:49,160
have all of the FAA recording from the

1152
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:51,590
communication with all of these pilots

1153
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:57,290
with FAA with NORAD with the sort of

1154
00:50:00,580 --> 00:49:59,119
follow up after the event of them trying

1155
00:50:02,620 --> 00:50:00,590
to piece together the puzzle to figure

1156
00:50:05,010 --> 00:50:02,630
out what the hell happened it's so

1157
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,020
fascinating to listen to you just

1158
00:50:10,380 --> 00:50:07,119
the process of them trying to deal with

1159
00:50:12,690 --> 00:50:10,390
a UFO and the sky and these both

1160
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:12,700
generated so many headlines and this is

1161
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:14,410
another example of something reaching

1162
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,960
just the general public you know pop

1163
00:50:22,650 --> 00:50:19,119
culture I can't tell you how many times

1164
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:22,660
I was asked about this these cases by

1165
00:50:26,430 --> 00:50:24,730
people who aren't into UFOs they would

1166
00:50:28,290 --> 00:50:26,440
come to me and say hey so what's the

1167
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:28,300
deal with these that the planes that

1168
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:30,010
were were over Oregon what what what's

1169
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,510
the deal with that it was really cool

1170
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:34,240
yeah yeah I know the the other one that

1171
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:36,490
made a lot of headlines too was the one

1172
00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:39,520
in Ireland but the commercial pilots

1173
00:50:44,430 --> 00:50:42,820
that one too had some audio and you can

1174
00:50:46,980 --> 00:50:44,440
tell like all these flights our

1175
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:46,990
operators and even the pilots like they

1176
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:50,050
are really dumbfounded by what they're

1177
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:52,930
seeing and they use the term UFO many

1178
00:50:57,150 --> 00:50:54,730
many times which used to be a huge

1179
00:50:59,280 --> 00:50:57,160
stigma you never said that word when

1180
00:51:01,550 --> 00:50:59,290
you're up there but it seems that that

1181
00:51:04,620 --> 00:51:01,560
might be changing a little bit as these

1182
00:51:06,090 --> 00:51:04,630
cases and these phenomena are plaguing

1183
00:51:09,630 --> 00:51:06,100
more and more of our commercial right

1184
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:09,640
pilots yeah you would think too with the

1185
00:51:14,220 --> 00:51:12,250
way the TTS a and its popularity and

1186
00:51:16,890 --> 00:51:14,230
unidentified those sorts of things that

1187
00:51:19,410 --> 00:51:16,900
now and of course with Fox News and

1188
00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:19,420
Tucker Carson and those that you know

1189
00:51:24,030 --> 00:51:21,700
the media is warming up a little bit to

1190
00:51:26,070 --> 00:51:24,040
this and feels a little bit safer to to

1191
00:51:28,530 --> 00:51:26,080
report and probably not to mention the

1192
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:28,540
competition from the likes of you know

1193
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:31,980
Tyler rogue away and and those sorts of

1194
00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:35,290
publications as well right and you look

1195
00:51:39,780 --> 00:51:37,630
at like cases back to Japan Airlines

1196
00:51:41,790 --> 00:51:39,790
case you know totally she's like put on

1197
00:51:43,530 --> 00:51:41,800
desk duty after reporting the UFO I

1198
00:51:46,260 --> 00:51:43,540
don't see that happening right I'm sure

1199
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:46,270
their careers are just fine after

1200
00:51:50,370 --> 00:51:48,160
reporting these things because times

1201
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:50,380
have changed and these things are more

1202
00:51:54,930 --> 00:51:52,930
and more common and I you know that kind

1203
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:54,940
of leads into our next well and yeah

1204
00:51:58,859 --> 00:51:56,650
good point Ryan and and another thing I

1205
00:52:02,820 --> 00:51:58,869
think you know we're we live in an era

1206
00:52:04,650 --> 00:52:02,830
of cya right so I think a lot of these

1207
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:04,660
flight controllers these pilots they

1208
00:52:08,910 --> 00:52:05,920
don't want to be responsible something

1209
00:52:12,030 --> 00:52:08,920
happens so to cover their asses they're

1210
00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:12,040
gonna report it alright so we're getting

1211
00:52:16,349 --> 00:52:13,900
into things that took place much more

1212
00:52:18,210 --> 00:52:16,359
recently so the next item on our list

1213
00:52:19,950 --> 00:52:18,220
will likely be fresh in your mind

1214
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:19,960
and of course we're talking about a tip

1215
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:23,170
and TTS a so on Wednesday October 11th

1216
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,170
2017 trans media company to the Stars

1217
00:52:30,660 --> 00:52:28,480
hosted a livestream event during which

1218
00:52:33,390 --> 00:52:30,670
founder Tom DeLonge announced a new

1219
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:33,400
endeavor for the company which was to

1220
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:35,170
the Stars Academy of Arts and Science

1221
00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:38,170
GT sa has been the source of countless

1222
00:52:42,330 --> 00:52:40,140
global headlines since its launch

1223
00:52:46,110 --> 00:52:42,340
including the well-known New York Times

1224
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:46,120
story published on December 15 2017 that

1225
00:52:50,820 --> 00:52:48,490
revealed the Pentagon's contemporary UFO

1226
00:52:53,580 --> 00:52:50,830
study known as the advanced aerospace

1227
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:53,590
threat identification program don't

1228
00:52:58,380 --> 00:52:56,010
forget those three Navy UFO videos

1229
00:53:00,570 --> 00:52:58,390
modification to the Navy's UFO reporting

1230
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:00,580
policy government partnerships related

1231
00:53:05,610 --> 00:53:03,010
to testing exotic material and the UFO

1232
00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:05,620
TV show on the History Channel all these

1233
00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:07,510
things generated multiple stories by

1234
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:10,270
media outlets around the world and all

1235
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:12,970
are a result of the work up to the stars

1236
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:16,030
Academy pretty remarkable how much that

1237
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,450
is just monopolized really the bulk of

1238
00:53:22,290 --> 00:53:21,760
the UFO community and in the things we

1239
00:53:25,260 --> 00:53:22,300
talk about

1240
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:25,270
but ufo-related headlines that have been

1241
00:53:31,470 --> 00:53:29,440
generated yeah it's I mean it is the

1242
00:53:34,980 --> 00:53:31,480
face of ufology there's no way to get

1243
00:53:37,950 --> 00:53:34,990
around it we can thank Tom DeLonge for

1244
00:53:39,780 --> 00:53:37,960
giving the topic like I think the it's

1245
00:53:41,220 --> 00:53:39,790
just dues but at the same time it's like

1246
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:41,230
when you have this one narrative out

1247
00:53:47,460 --> 00:53:43,510
there now it's tough it's hard it's

1248
00:53:47,820 --> 00:53:47,470
tough to be like you know the the signal

1249
00:53:50,670 --> 00:53:47,830
again

1250
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:50,680
but stall the noise yeah absolutely and

1251
00:53:55,110 --> 00:53:53,680
and that's true to to to an extent if

1252
00:53:57,660 --> 00:53:55,120
you think about it it's like we're kind

1253
00:53:59,370 --> 00:53:57,670
of being blinded to a lot of other

1254
00:54:02,280 --> 00:53:59,380
potential stories that are probably

1255
00:54:04,050 --> 00:54:02,290
happening right now and we're in the

1256
00:54:07,170 --> 00:54:04,060
dark because the news is focusing all on

1257
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:07,180
on this one segment so got to keep our

1258
00:54:11,820 --> 00:54:09,520
ears open to the the underground stuff

1259
00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:11,830
happening yeah almost four years now

1260
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:13,270
we're talking about the [\h__\h] tic-tac

1261
00:54:19,650 --> 00:54:17,290
come on it'll happen it'll happen but

1262
00:54:21,690 --> 00:54:19,660
you know I think it's gonna take and you

1263
00:54:23,580 --> 00:54:21,700
know we we in the community the UFO

1264
00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:23,590
community like to do a lot of bitching

1265
00:54:28,380 --> 00:54:26,260
and moaning about mainstream media and

1266
00:54:29,609 --> 00:54:28,390
you know them not giving the attention

1267
00:54:33,059 --> 00:54:29,619
to UFOs that a desert

1268
00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:33,069
Erbs but at the same time you know time

1269
00:54:38,370 --> 00:54:35,470
shift and we get you know some people

1270
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:38,380
from the UFO community writing for

1271
00:54:43,710 --> 00:54:41,890
mainstream publications and they really

1272
00:54:46,499 --> 00:54:43,720
control the power I mean we've all

1273
00:54:49,710 --> 00:54:46,509
written for mainstream publications and

1274
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:49,720
know how the the media works and you

1275
00:54:52,380 --> 00:54:50,890
know you really do have a lot of power

1276
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:52,390
on the stories that you choose to write

1277
00:54:58,739 --> 00:54:56,319
and we're seeing right now from many of

1278
00:55:00,120 --> 00:54:58,749
the the UFO researchers people from the

1279
00:55:02,940 --> 00:55:00,130
UFO community who are writing for

1280
00:55:05,249 --> 00:55:02,950
mainstream outlets are really choosing

1281
00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:05,259
just to write stories about things

1282
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:08,140
related to tts a when there are so many

1283
00:55:12,779 --> 00:55:10,450
other things happening and I have to

1284
00:55:15,299 --> 00:55:12,789
give credit and I have to point out the

1285
00:55:17,849 --> 00:55:15,309
big void that has been in UFO reporting

1286
00:55:21,630 --> 00:55:17,859
since Lee Spiegel left The Huffington

1287
00:55:24,029 --> 00:55:21,640
Post a lease video would certainly cover

1288
00:55:26,670 --> 00:55:24,039
the big stories but he would also find

1289
00:55:28,049 --> 00:55:26,680
other smaller unknown stories to talk

1290
00:55:30,059 --> 00:55:28,059
about he would also do a true

1291
00:55:32,009 --> 00:55:30,069
investigative journalism and use his

1292
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:32,019
sources and go after stories and do

1293
00:55:35,609 --> 00:55:33,609
updates on those stories and really dig

1294
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:35,619
in and pull out some really fascinating

1295
00:55:40,589 --> 00:55:38,710
things going on and I think the UFO

1296
00:55:45,779 --> 00:55:40,599
community is really missing that right

1297
00:55:48,660 --> 00:55:45,789
now a true just general journalist who

1298
00:55:49,410 --> 00:55:48,670
digs in and approaches this topic like a

1299
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:49,420
journalist

1300
00:55:54,660 --> 00:55:51,730
it doesn't just focus on what they see

1301
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:54,670
posted on Facebook and UFO groups you

1302
00:55:58,799 --> 00:55:56,799
know there's a lot more to UFOs than

1303
00:56:02,370 --> 00:55:58,809
what's trending right now among UFO

1304
00:56:03,930 --> 00:56:02,380
people we miss Julie but he'll be coming

1305
00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:03,940
back with a storm I mean he's got his

1306
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:07,660
podcast right now that's cool and got

1307
00:56:12,930 --> 00:56:09,369
the great film with James Fox that we're

1308
00:56:14,910 --> 00:56:12,940
going to get in 2020 so super excited

1309
00:56:16,739 --> 00:56:14,920
I've been living under a rock I did not

1310
00:56:21,269 --> 00:56:16,749
know Lee how to podcast can you please

1311
00:56:23,489 --> 00:56:21,279
drop yeah certainly post a link to Lee's

1312
00:56:26,819 --> 00:56:23,499
podcast for sure yeah what one cool

1313
00:56:29,849 --> 00:56:26,829
thing though about the whole nimitz case

1314
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:29,859
and the TTS a and I don't know if it's

1315
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:32,319
you know it's probably a combination of

1316
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:35,440
like the case itself and the but also

1317
00:56:40,739 --> 00:56:38,799
the timing that you know I I do worry

1318
00:56:43,230 --> 00:56:40,749
like you say Ryan to is you know too

1319
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,240
much focus on the singular thing

1320
00:56:47,609 --> 00:56:45,760
and and if it gets resolved I mean I've

1321
00:56:49,620 --> 00:56:47,619
even thought of this what if what if it

1322
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:49,630
gets resolved in a way like it it's

1323
00:56:56,250 --> 00:56:51,609
identified like let's just say there's

1324
00:56:59,640 --> 00:56:56,260
some program will that just all the

1325
00:57:01,920 --> 00:56:59,650
sudden you know D legitimize everything

1326
00:57:03,420 --> 00:57:01,930
though everything else other than that

1327
00:57:05,010 --> 00:57:03,430
you know do we go back to the whole

1328
00:57:07,230 --> 00:57:05,020
thing we've been experiencing for

1329
00:57:09,870 --> 00:57:07,240
seventy years or not I mean that is a

1330
00:57:13,170 --> 00:57:09,880
little bit of worry but you know I also

1331
00:57:15,690 --> 00:57:13,180
appreciate the fact that you know we

1332
00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:15,700
needed something different to happen you

1333
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:17,950
know we've been plugging away for you

1334
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:19,930
know these 70 years and not really

1335
00:57:24,329 --> 00:57:21,970
getting anywhere and and things really

1336
00:57:26,579 --> 00:57:24,339
are different because of this case and

1337
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:26,589
this issue and maybe the way it came out

1338
00:57:32,910 --> 00:57:30,730
and maybe it is the bit about TST TSA

1339
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:32,920
and they tip and all those things but I

1340
00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:35,410
mean the fact is it it it is it has

1341
00:57:40,349 --> 00:57:38,740
changed things and I think that's pretty

1342
00:57:42,089 --> 00:57:40,359
cool and exciting but I think you're

1343
00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:42,099
right we'll also have to be careful and

1344
00:57:47,540 --> 00:57:45,070
watchful that just doesn't change things

1345
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:47,550
in in in a negative way where we do

1346
00:57:51,810 --> 00:57:50,410
disregard everything else that's

1347
00:57:56,460 --> 00:57:51,820
happening because there's still a ton of

1348
00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:56,470
stuff happens every single day so we

1349
00:58:00,660 --> 00:57:58,690
need you know in the community we have

1350
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:00,670
to step up right we can sit here and

1351
00:58:06,089 --> 00:58:03,970
[\h__\h] and moan about it you know we all

1352
00:58:07,859 --> 00:58:06,099
still talk about TTS a because it is

1353
00:58:10,050 --> 00:58:07,869
important things that are happening it

1354
00:58:11,070 --> 00:58:10,060
is it is newsworthy and relevant and

1355
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:11,080
people should know about it

1356
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:14,650
but we also have to do our work and in

1357
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:17,440
highlight other things and you know not

1358
00:58:22,890 --> 00:58:20,650
not get caught up in this singular

1359
00:58:24,780 --> 00:58:22,900
mindset and and continue painting that

1360
00:58:27,570 --> 00:58:24,790
picture that only one thing is happening

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00:58:30,540 --> 00:58:27,580
I said it before and I applaud every

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00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:30,550
effort that anybody's doing you know I

1363
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:33,250
think TTS a is doing fantastic stuff I

1364
00:58:36,930 --> 00:58:35,530
wish them all the luck with everything

1365
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:36,940
they do that's great I'm glad they're

1366
00:58:40,050 --> 00:58:37,570
doing it

1367
00:58:42,030 --> 00:58:40,060
I think SETI is great people like to

1368
00:58:42,930 --> 00:58:42,040
hate on SETI they're all what a waste of

1369
00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:42,940
time what a waste of money

1370
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:44,710
hey I'm glad somebody's doing that

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00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:46,510
somebody should be doing all the things

1372
00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:48,970
all the time and I'm glad when somebody

1373
00:58:53,940 --> 00:58:51,369
steps up and wants to take this piece

1374
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:53,950
and work on that or take this piece and

1375
00:58:58,920 --> 00:58:56,530
focus on that we need all

1376
00:59:00,750 --> 00:58:58,930
things going at the same time and when

1377
00:59:03,060 --> 00:59:00,760
you have somebody who steps up and wants

1378
00:59:04,740 --> 00:59:03,070
to do part of that I celebrate that and

1379
00:59:06,030 --> 00:59:04,750
I think that's wonderful we all have to

1380
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:06,040
do our part

1381
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:09,490
it doesn't hurt us individually or as a

1382
00:59:14,490 --> 00:59:12,730
whole with the UFO community if there's

1383
00:59:16,350 --> 00:59:14,500
one group doing something that's getting

1384
00:59:17,790 --> 00:59:16,360
more visibility than what we're doing

1385
00:59:20,070 --> 00:59:17,800
that's just pride that gets in the way

1386
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:20,080
and that hurts research yeah yellow

1387
00:59:25,490 --> 00:59:22,330
sheet competition that's why there's a

1388
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:25,500
Dunkin Donuts across from Starbucks like

1389
00:59:29,550 --> 00:59:27,970
swift kick in the ass every now and

1390
00:59:31,710 --> 00:59:29,560
again and Jason I do it to add like

1391
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:31,720
above my desk right now I'm not kidding

1392
00:59:39,060 --> 00:59:34,210
you I literally have we need all the

1393
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,070
things although that's amazing yeah I

1394
00:59:44,220 --> 00:59:41,200
think that's the bunch of this decade

1395
00:59:49,260 --> 00:59:44,230
yeah yes all right well let's move into

1396
00:59:52,050 --> 00:59:49,270
the last thing on our list finally oh we

1397
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:52,060
can't talk about the top ten UFO related

1398
01:00:00,480 --> 00:59:54,570
stories of the decade without mentioning

1399
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:00,490
storm area 51 storm area 51 started as a

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01:00:06,270 --> 01:00:02,650
joke by college student Mattie Roberts

1401
01:00:09,210 --> 01:00:06,280
he created a Facebook event on June 27th

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01:00:12,270 --> 01:00:09,220
2019 titled storm area 51

1403
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:12,280
they can't stop all of us Roberts later

1404
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:14,290
acknowledged that he created the event

1405
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:16,690
as a joke after watching area 51

1406
01:00:20,460 --> 01:00:18,970
whistleblower bob lazar and filmmaker

1407
01:00:24,030 --> 01:00:20,470
jeremy Korbel on the Joe Rogan

1408
01:00:26,490 --> 01:00:24,040
experience but still millions of people

1409
01:00:29,370 --> 01:00:26,500
said they were going to this event the

1410
01:00:31,140 --> 01:00:29,380
media went crazy with this story the

1411
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:31,150
military and local authorities got

1412
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:33,490
freaked out and local residents were

1413
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:35,530
pretty darn unhappy with the thought of

1414
01:00:39,540 --> 01:00:37,090
millions of people descending on their

1415
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:39,550
properties in rural Nevada the event

1416
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:41,890
quickly morphed into a festival which

1417
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,110
then morphed into multiple festivals

1418
01:00:48,750 --> 01:00:47,200
then just a week before the event

1419
01:00:51,180 --> 01:00:48,760
Maddy Roberts pulled out of the event

1420
01:00:54,030 --> 01:00:51,190
that he'd been planning with the little

1421
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:54,040
alien in Rachel Nevada and did a

1422
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:56,170
different event so yeah he slopped

1423
01:01:01,110 --> 01:00:58,000
together something in downtown Las Vegas

1424
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:01,120
instead and although the few thousand

1425
01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:03,130
people who turned out for this event had

1426
01:01:08,970 --> 01:01:06,760
fun at really what was a silly weekend

1427
01:01:09,930 --> 01:01:08,980
the whole debacle was publicly

1428
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:09,940
considered a flop

1429
01:01:14,339 --> 01:01:12,250
and many of the resulting headlines

1430
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:14,349
didn't sugarcoat it either

1431
01:01:19,170 --> 01:01:16,930
they were headlines like storm area51

1432
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:19,180
brings fewer alien enthusiasts than

1433
01:01:25,339 --> 01:01:22,690
authorities expected area 51 storming to

1434
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:25,349
see aliens fails to materialize and

1435
01:01:30,809 --> 01:01:28,450
storm area 51 base camp ends early due

1436
01:01:32,550 --> 01:01:30,819
to low attendance just a few of the

1437
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:32,560
headlines that painted the unfortunate

1438
01:01:37,950 --> 01:01:35,530
picture the pop-culture effect of this

1439
01:01:41,069 --> 01:01:37,960
thing is still being seen we recently

1440
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:41,079
learned that now I'm citing my sources

1441
01:01:45,980 --> 01:01:43,569
here guys because I'm responsible but we

1442
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:45,990
recently learned that porn hubs

1443
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:50,050
20:19 year-in-review revealed that alien

1444
01:01:56,430 --> 01:01:53,200
was the second most popular search term

1445
01:01:59,760 --> 01:01:56,440
on the porn website for the year alright

1446
01:02:03,420 --> 01:01:59,770
good also revealed that searches for the

1447
01:02:06,059 --> 01:02:03,430
term area 51 surged from zero to a

1448
01:02:08,210 --> 01:02:06,069
hundred and sixty thousand just a few

1449
01:02:11,609 --> 01:02:08,220
days after the Facebook event went viral

1450
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:11,619
and if you're not aroused by stats from

1451
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:14,890
a porn site maybe Google will do it for

1452
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:17,470
you according to Google's year in search

1453
01:02:24,329 --> 01:02:21,910
2019 data area 51 raid was the year's

1454
01:02:29,309 --> 01:02:24,339
fourth biggest trending news story and

1455
01:02:32,130 --> 01:02:29,319
that's not all what is area 51 was the

1456
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:32,140
top what is question of the year on

1457
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:36,730
Google and where is our area 51 was the

1458
01:02:44,550 --> 01:02:39,970
third most popular where is question of

1459
01:02:46,620 --> 01:02:44,560
the year on Google that's insane just

1460
01:02:49,290 --> 01:02:46,630
showing the impact that this silly

1461
01:02:53,130 --> 01:02:49,300
little event had on the general public

1462
01:02:54,750 --> 01:02:53,140
and on pop culture yeah it really is

1463
01:02:58,319 --> 01:02:54,760
Maureen I was gonna say the same thing I

1464
01:03:01,559 --> 01:02:58,329
mean cool fun like I loved sharing the

1465
01:03:05,550 --> 01:03:01,569
memes and everything but like imagine if

1466
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:05,560
something spread this this much that

1467
01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:07,839
like benefited anyone anyone in the

1468
01:03:12,809 --> 01:03:10,510
world huh it's like sick and ailing

1469
01:03:14,970 --> 01:03:12,819
people or poor people or the the

1470
01:03:17,010 --> 01:03:14,980
environment like just imagine what kind

1471
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:17,020
of impact that could have instead it was

1472
01:03:22,420 --> 01:03:20,450
a stupid meme about area 51

1473
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:22,430
it hurts me but I guess this is a very

1474
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:25,250
good segue to drop the point that we met

1475
01:03:33,519 --> 01:03:27,920
we didn't say top 10 most credible UFO

1476
01:03:34,779 --> 01:03:33,529
sightings over the last decade right I

1477
01:03:37,269 --> 01:03:34,789
think that's important to note because

1478
01:03:39,279 --> 01:03:37,279
we're gonna get people saying what how

1479
01:03:40,660 --> 01:03:39,289
are you listing the stuff and listing

1480
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:40,670
plus I had to throw that one in there

1481
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:42,170
because it gave me an excuse to site

1482
01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:44,450
pornhub that's true well I'm sure we'll

1483
01:03:48,250 --> 01:03:45,910
do it again sometime

1484
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:48,260
this is a first for this show exciting

1485
01:03:53,890 --> 01:03:51,410
exciting porn porn stats so again it's

1486
01:03:55,660 --> 01:03:53,900
pretty challenging to put together the

1487
01:03:57,849 --> 01:03:55,670
list for a show like this because there

1488
01:04:00,579 --> 01:03:57,859
are so many UFO related stories making

1489
01:04:03,819 --> 01:04:00,589
headlines every year trimming it down to

1490
01:04:05,710 --> 01:04:03,829
the best stories is tough so a few of

1491
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:05,720
the other stories we considered adding

1492
01:04:10,690 --> 01:04:09,200
were the Baltic Sea UFO if you remember

1493
01:04:12,970 --> 01:04:10,700
that one that generated a lot of

1494
01:04:14,829 --> 01:04:12,980
headlines primarily because this random

1495
01:04:16,750 --> 01:04:14,839
thing that these treasure hunters found

1496
01:04:20,019 --> 01:04:16,760
at the bottom of the ocean looked like

1497
01:04:22,029 --> 01:04:20,029
the Millennium Falcon so that generated

1498
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:22,039
its own headlines right there because of

1499
01:04:26,170 --> 01:04:24,170
the star wars tie and they were all

1500
01:04:29,309 --> 01:04:26,180
there was also a great case with UFO

1501
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:29,319
hundreds of UFOs along India's border in

1502
01:04:35,380 --> 01:04:32,329
2012 and that was an ongoing case that

1503
01:04:37,390 --> 01:04:35,390
you know there were multiple updates as

1504
01:04:40,180 --> 01:04:37,400
the case was being investigated by the

1505
01:04:41,950 --> 01:04:40,190
government and that went unsolved it was

1506
01:04:44,410 --> 01:04:41,960
a fascinating case to follow and one of

1507
01:04:46,930 --> 01:04:44,420
my favorites certainly the decade then

1508
01:04:48,940 --> 01:04:46,940
there were the mo D UFO FILES the mo D

1509
01:04:50,380 --> 01:04:48,950
claims they released all of their UFO

1510
01:04:52,529 --> 01:04:50,390
files and that was something to follow

1511
01:04:55,809 --> 01:04:52,539
throughout multiple years as they

1512
01:04:59,230 --> 01:04:55,819
gradually released batches of incredible

1513
01:05:00,999 --> 01:04:59,240
UFO files from their their UFO desk when

1514
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:01,009
they were collecting and investigating

1515
01:05:07,059 --> 01:05:04,880
UFOs so that was fascinating

1516
01:05:08,349 --> 01:05:07,069
then there was Annie Jacobson that was

1517
01:05:10,690 --> 01:05:08,359
one that generated a lot of headlines

1518
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:10,700
too with her book that came out about

1519
01:05:18,009 --> 01:05:15,200
area 51 and the infamous chapter about

1520
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:18,019
Roswell where she claimed that the

1521
01:05:22,569 --> 01:05:20,210
Roswell bodies that were recovered

1522
01:05:25,299 --> 01:05:22,579
allegedly recovered in Roswell were

1523
01:05:28,359 --> 01:05:25,309
those of mutilated children done by

1524
01:05:31,769 --> 01:05:28,369
Joseph Mengele so that generated quite a

1525
01:05:34,620 --> 01:05:31,779
stir created headlines and got a lot of

1526
01:05:37,769 --> 01:05:34,630
negative response from the UFO community

1527
01:05:41,170 --> 01:05:37,779
especially by one Stan Friedman who

1528
01:05:43,269 --> 01:05:41,180
penned a nice rebuttal to her basically

1529
01:05:45,099 --> 01:05:43,279
calling her crazy yeah I guess we should

1530
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:45,109
mention to you like the passing of

1531
01:05:51,279 --> 01:05:46,970
Stanton Friedman being a big one this

1532
01:05:54,370 --> 01:05:51,289
decades yeah and and maybe maybe that's

1533
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:54,380
something that in future years I might

1534
01:05:59,620 --> 01:05:56,930
do four four year reviews talking about

1535
01:06:03,339 --> 01:05:59,630
things that were we're big news for the

1536
01:06:05,140 --> 01:06:03,349
UFO community you know certain losses in

1537
01:06:07,059 --> 01:06:05,150
the community and we've certainly seen a

1538
01:06:09,849 --> 01:06:07,069
lot of those we're seeing them more more

1539
01:06:12,670 --> 01:06:09,859
and more as time passes because a lot of

1540
01:06:14,339 --> 01:06:12,680
you know the old researchers from the

1541
01:06:26,410 --> 01:06:14,349
beginning of the modern UFO era are

1542
01:06:27,609 --> 01:06:26,420
nearing their end so gonna happen will

1543
01:06:29,529 --> 01:06:27,619
citizens that's gonna do it for this

1544
01:06:31,509 --> 01:06:29,539
episode it's been another fun year of

1545
01:06:32,859 --> 01:06:31,519
this show and we can't wait to fill your

1546
01:06:36,370 --> 01:06:32,869
ears with more strange and fascinating

1547
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:36,380
UFO content in 2020 you can find more

1548
01:06:40,210 --> 01:06:38,210
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01:06:42,130 --> 01:06:40,220
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1550
01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:42,140
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1551
01:06:46,089 --> 01:06:43,849
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1552
01:06:48,220 --> 01:06:46,099
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1553
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:48,230
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1554
01:06:52,539 --> 01:06:49,730
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1555
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:52,549
production reply no TV is your home for

1556
01:06:57,099 --> 01:06:55,609
all the strange big thanks to our

1557
01:06:58,569 --> 01:06:57,109
talented friend and fellow rogue planets

1558
01:07:00,819 --> 01:06:58,579
here Caleb Hanks for the show's intro

1559
01:07:02,769 --> 01:07:00,829
and outro music check out all his work

1560
01:07:03,819 --> 01:07:02,779
at the Claire Chronicles calm

1561
01:07:06,490 --> 01:07:03,829
thanks again for hanging out with us

1562
01:07:08,499 --> 01:07:06,500
today and a sincere thanks from all of

1563
01:07:10,569 --> 01:07:08,509
us for listening to unknown this past

1564
01:07:12,730 --> 01:07:10,579
year on Jason McClellan I'm Maureen

1565
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:12,740
Elsberry I'm Ryan spray and I'm Shane

1566
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:14,690
heard do us a favour friends always

1567
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:16,250
treat the UFO subject with the cautious

1568
01:07:20,170 --> 01:07:18,170
and responsible skepticism it deserves

1569
01:07:22,779 --> 01:07:20,180
question everything had the courage to

1570
01:07:23,740 --> 01:07:22,789
form your own opinions keep truth as the

1571
01:07:25,180 --> 01:07:23,750
focus of your quest

1572
01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:25,190
even if the truth conflicts with your

1573
01:07:30,980 --> 01:07:28,160
opinions and of course stay strange and